msp1976
02-13 03:22 PM
Logiclife...
Thank you for the update....
Thank you for the update....
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eb3_nepa
02-22 05:49 PM
Guys lets face it, Currently we are up against a wall. This is absolutely THE worst time when it comes to immigration. We have to be quite careful about the kinda steps we take esp when it comes to immigration as the lawmakers have bundled us up as a banner of "immigrants".
Is there any pacca news on the date when the Senate take up this "immigration reform" bill? The extremely sad truth is that we can ONLY TRY. This is NOT in our hands and we have NO bargaining power here. That makes it all the more necessary that QGA guides us all the way and that we can pay for QGA all the way. A quick q to the gurus. Right now what is the status with QGA? I mean we have 30k they need 200k. So till we pay 200K they do nothing or are they doing this in steps like for 50K we take u to point A and for 50K more we take u to point B etc? Often my friends and people i talk to ask me that question and come up answerless :)
Please dont get me wrong, i m in NO way quitting or bringing people down, just keeping in touch with reality. :)
Is there any pacca news on the date when the Senate take up this "immigration reform" bill? The extremely sad truth is that we can ONLY TRY. This is NOT in our hands and we have NO bargaining power here. That makes it all the more necessary that QGA guides us all the way and that we can pay for QGA all the way. A quick q to the gurus. Right now what is the status with QGA? I mean we have 30k they need 200k. So till we pay 200K they do nothing or are they doing this in steps like for 50K we take u to point A and for 50K more we take u to point B etc? Often my friends and people i talk to ask me that question and come up answerless :)
Please dont get me wrong, i m in NO way quitting or bringing people down, just keeping in touch with reality. :)
sbabunle
08-19 03:20 PM
Congratulations on your Citizenship desi3933!!
Whom you gonna vote? Obama or McCain? I think thats the
only difference between GC and Citizenship. Ofocurse if you do
somethingbad you will goto jail and no deportation :D
So you gonna start some company? I could give you some tips :D
Good luck.
Whom you gonna vote? Obama or McCain? I think thats the
only difference between GC and Citizenship. Ofocurse if you do
somethingbad you will goto jail and no deportation :D
So you gonna start some company? I could give you some tips :D
Good luck.
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trueguy
08-12 05:48 PM
Based on this poll, anybody with PD of Jun2002 onwards should consider Porting to EB2.
Any thoughts?
Any thoughts?
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absaarkhan
08-20 01:17 PM
My Situation is Similar to Yours.
So it looks like you were able to GET H1 TRANSFER / EXTENSION
With Another Employer, Even After Entering US on Advance Parole.
I have a few Questions for you I would appreciate if you can please answer them :
1. When you Applied for H1B Transfer in Permium Processing, which I-94 #
did you gave to USCIS.
2. What did u or Attroney answered for Last Manner of Entry Question
3. Are you within the 6 Years limit for H1B or beyond i.e. using I-140 Approval.
4. Did u get any RFE for your H1B after using AP.
Please let me know.
Good job laying out all usecases "add78".
In my case, I travelled back on AP as my visa extension stamping went pending in Mumbai consulate. Came back here with my I-94 indicating "Parolee" as my new status.
Within 2 weeks, I changed employer as per AC21, they filed for my H1 transfer(premium processing) via Murthy Law Firm. I received a new I94 which put me back in the H1B status. During this 2-3 weeks I was in the US as a parolee I did NOT use the EAD, because you don't have to.
Interestingly after 3 months of my visa application at Mumbai consulate (2 months after I reached US) I received an email from them asking me to submit my passport for stamping. Its unbelievable that they think applicants would still be waiting in India for 3 months and that their employers would still be interested in keeping them, but I guess after all this ordeal I realised, they just don't care.
So it looks like you were able to GET H1 TRANSFER / EXTENSION
With Another Employer, Even After Entering US on Advance Parole.
I have a few Questions for you I would appreciate if you can please answer them :
1. When you Applied for H1B Transfer in Permium Processing, which I-94 #
did you gave to USCIS.
2. What did u or Attroney answered for Last Manner of Entry Question
3. Are you within the 6 Years limit for H1B or beyond i.e. using I-140 Approval.
4. Did u get any RFE for your H1B after using AP.
Please let me know.
Good job laying out all usecases "add78".
In my case, I travelled back on AP as my visa extension stamping went pending in Mumbai consulate. Came back here with my I-94 indicating "Parolee" as my new status.
Within 2 weeks, I changed employer as per AC21, they filed for my H1 transfer(premium processing) via Murthy Law Firm. I received a new I94 which put me back in the H1B status. During this 2-3 weeks I was in the US as a parolee I did NOT use the EAD, because you don't have to.
Interestingly after 3 months of my visa application at Mumbai consulate (2 months after I reached US) I received an email from them asking me to submit my passport for stamping. Its unbelievable that they think applicants would still be waiting in India for 3 months and that their employers would still be interested in keeping them, but I guess after all this ordeal I realised, they just don't care.
franklin
07-11 08:02 PM
Can we put a poll on this thread to see how many members will attend the rally? Thanks.
I'm not entirely sure how to do that on an already created thread...
I'm not entirely sure how to do that on an already created thread...
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vishwak
08-20 09:59 AM
Hi All,
I heard that after gettign GC and before Applying for Citizenship we should stay in US continously for 3.5 years how far is that true.
What is the exact rule? Can someone please guide me thru proper thread.
I heard that after gettign GC and before Applying for Citizenship we should stay in US continously for 3.5 years how far is that true.
What is the exact rule? Can someone please guide me thru proper thread.
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chanduv23
03-13 12:16 PM
That is correct, 9 months and then I will return to my country for good.
I am waiting for the day when we get the GC , we will tear it into pieces and throw in front of consulate.
Cheers
It is not easy to tear apart a Green card - u need a sharp instrument - and be careful because u may hurt urself if u do it with the levels of frustration :) :)
I am waiting for the day when we get the GC , we will tear it into pieces and throw in front of consulate.
Cheers
It is not easy to tear apart a Green card - u need a sharp instrument - and be careful because u may hurt urself if u do it with the levels of frustration :) :)
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diqingshen
01-31 01:04 PM
could it be that ppl will not be able to sneak in with pre-approved labor now? if there is a significant number doing that, the PDs will move faster. Congrats IV on this achievement!
to relieve some retrogression!
to relieve some retrogression!
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FinalGC
07-20 11:27 AM
Guys:
Since we are looking for options....Maybe we can help each other grow technically...possibly by the time we get our GC. Then we could start a company, which will have satellite office across the USA. Then get Vinod Khosla to provide Venture Capital.....:) :D
So to start the process of helping.....here is what I can offer....I am Elect Engg grad from IIT, Roorkee, got my MBA from Kansas and have a PMP, which I got in 1999. Last Year I was elected the President for the Local PMI (Project Management Institute) Chapter in Michigan. ......So if any of you need any help on project management or getting a PMP, I could at least guide you what needs to be done. Please send a private email to me and I could help you enhance your skills in Project Management.
I have been waiting for my GC for almost 10 years. During this time I have managed to trust in God. I continued to increase my education and increased my business network during these years, which has helped me increase my "Face Value" in the US Market.
Here are some suggestion...-Try getting involved in Non-Profit organizations in US or India or possibly go help somebody. Trust me there is more to life than Green Card......I remember asking a friend of mine what was his reaction after waiting for GC for 8 years and then getting it.....He did not have a positive answer.
So when GC will come, it will come....Increase your education, give back to society (maybe help some of your old neighbours who do not have a way to get around), maybe you want teach (Free) math or science to a student in your downtown area. When you look around you will see many people are waiting to be touched by you, through the talents that God has given you......
So keep moving...do not sit back....do something.....A small pool of water will become a swamp, since it does not move, while a river which is flowing swiftly will reach its destination...
Keep fighting the GC battle!!!!
Since we are looking for options....Maybe we can help each other grow technically...possibly by the time we get our GC. Then we could start a company, which will have satellite office across the USA. Then get Vinod Khosla to provide Venture Capital.....:) :D
So to start the process of helping.....here is what I can offer....I am Elect Engg grad from IIT, Roorkee, got my MBA from Kansas and have a PMP, which I got in 1999. Last Year I was elected the President for the Local PMI (Project Management Institute) Chapter in Michigan. ......So if any of you need any help on project management or getting a PMP, I could at least guide you what needs to be done. Please send a private email to me and I could help you enhance your skills in Project Management.
I have been waiting for my GC for almost 10 years. During this time I have managed to trust in God. I continued to increase my education and increased my business network during these years, which has helped me increase my "Face Value" in the US Market.
Here are some suggestion...-Try getting involved in Non-Profit organizations in US or India or possibly go help somebody. Trust me there is more to life than Green Card......I remember asking a friend of mine what was his reaction after waiting for GC for 8 years and then getting it.....He did not have a positive answer.
So when GC will come, it will come....Increase your education, give back to society (maybe help some of your old neighbours who do not have a way to get around), maybe you want teach (Free) math or science to a student in your downtown area. When you look around you will see many people are waiting to be touched by you, through the talents that God has given you......
So keep moving...do not sit back....do something.....A small pool of water will become a swamp, since it does not move, while a river which is flowing swiftly will reach its destination...
Keep fighting the GC battle!!!!
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vbkris77
03-10 05:04 PM
EB2I last year got 25K visas. This year, I am thinking we will get double that. Because 1. There are not many ROW labor approvals (Thanks to Atlanta process center) 2. Name check backlog cleared.
Sorry I am not looking at EB3. No news is good for that.. Sorry..
Sorry I am not looking at EB3. No news is good for that.. Sorry..
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amitjoey
12-22 02:29 PM
Dear Sir/Madam
I have been in the country Legally on a student visa and then on a work visa for 10 years. I have been in line and have applied for a greencard 6 years ago and my application has been shuttled through various departments and agencies in a 4 step procedure and now being stalled for want of a number (An immigrant number) for a highly skilled immigrant. There are an estimated 1/2 million legal law abiding, tax paying individuals in a similar situation who need your attention. All of them are in the country on a work visa and are in line to recieve an employment based green card.
The Employment based green card system is completely broken due to excessive delays and backlogs in petitions of nearly half a million highly skilled workers who are certified by US Government to be doing a job that no US citizen is willing, qualified or able to do. The delays in obtaining a permanent residency are due to 2 reasons: Numerical caps on employment-based green cards and processing delays in adjudication of files. Today the system takes anywhere between 6-12 years to grant Green cards to some of the best and brightest of the world who have chosen America as their future home.
These future Americans are facing huge quality of life issues and their employers are facing difficulty in attracting more of the best and brightest of the world due to the broken system. The system prevents these workers from accepting promotions and switching jobs for the time-period it takes to process their files. By stagnating career growth and suffocating the creativity of the most innovative and technical minds of the world.
The processing delays mock America�s respect for those who �play by the rules� and get in line. At the same time USCIS awards 10s of thousands of greencards to people every year outside of USA based on a pick or lottery.
At the end of 2006, there were an estimated 200,000 employment-based principals waiting for labor certification, which is the first step in the U.S. immigration process. The number of pending I-140 applications, the second step of the immigration process, stood at 50,132. This was over seven times the number in 1996. The number of employment-based principals with approved I-140 applications and unfiled or pending I-485s, or the last step in the immigration process, was 309,823, a threefold increase from a decade earlier. Overall, there were 500,040 employment-based principals (in the three main employment visa categories of EB-1, EB-2, and EB-3) waiting for legal permanent residence. And the total including family members was 1,055,084.
These numbers are particularly troubling when you consider there are only around 120,000 visas available for skilled immigrants in the EB-1, EB-2, and EB-3 categories. To make things worse, no more than 7 percent of the visas are allocated to immigrants from any one country. So immigrants from countries with large populations like India and China have the same number of visas available (8,400) as those from Iceland and Poland.
At the same time, a debate rages about H-1B visas and this gets considerable press coverage. Companies such as Microsoft, Intel, and Oracle have been lobbying for visas to bring in skilled immigrants, but have focused on expanding the numbers of H-1B visas available. Why? Perhaps because workers on these visas are desirable, as they are less likely to leave their employers during the decade or more they are waiting for permanent residence.
So we want skilled immigrants, but we want them to come on the right visas as permanent residents. The battles being fought are about bringing in more people with H-1B visas�not about those who are already here with them and stranded in �immigration limbo.�
Unlike many of the problems facing the United States, this one isn�t hard to fix. All we have to do is to increase the number of visas offered to skilled workers in the EB-1, EB-2, and EB-3 categories from 120,000 to around 300,000 per year. And we need to remove the per-country limits. Instead of requiring graduates from top universities who receive jobs from American corporations to go through the tedious H-1B visa process, we should provide a direct path to permanent residence. We are now competing with the rest of the world for the best talent. We need to do all we can to attract and keep skilled immigrants, rather than bring them here temporarily, train them, and send them home.
One more most important aspect is also to provide an oversight over USCIS. Presently, processing delays, lost paperwork, incourteous and bad customer service and above all a non-transparent system is what immigrants face. Why should legal tax paying immigrants wait in line patiently for half a decade and pay high fees to get lousy customer service and no accountability for fees?.
Yours truely,
Frustrated, law abiding, tax paying immigrant
I have been in the country Legally on a student visa and then on a work visa for 10 years. I have been in line and have applied for a greencard 6 years ago and my application has been shuttled through various departments and agencies in a 4 step procedure and now being stalled for want of a number (An immigrant number) for a highly skilled immigrant. There are an estimated 1/2 million legal law abiding, tax paying individuals in a similar situation who need your attention. All of them are in the country on a work visa and are in line to recieve an employment based green card.
The Employment based green card system is completely broken due to excessive delays and backlogs in petitions of nearly half a million highly skilled workers who are certified by US Government to be doing a job that no US citizen is willing, qualified or able to do. The delays in obtaining a permanent residency are due to 2 reasons: Numerical caps on employment-based green cards and processing delays in adjudication of files. Today the system takes anywhere between 6-12 years to grant Green cards to some of the best and brightest of the world who have chosen America as their future home.
These future Americans are facing huge quality of life issues and their employers are facing difficulty in attracting more of the best and brightest of the world due to the broken system. The system prevents these workers from accepting promotions and switching jobs for the time-period it takes to process their files. By stagnating career growth and suffocating the creativity of the most innovative and technical minds of the world.
The processing delays mock America�s respect for those who �play by the rules� and get in line. At the same time USCIS awards 10s of thousands of greencards to people every year outside of USA based on a pick or lottery.
At the end of 2006, there were an estimated 200,000 employment-based principals waiting for labor certification, which is the first step in the U.S. immigration process. The number of pending I-140 applications, the second step of the immigration process, stood at 50,132. This was over seven times the number in 1996. The number of employment-based principals with approved I-140 applications and unfiled or pending I-485s, or the last step in the immigration process, was 309,823, a threefold increase from a decade earlier. Overall, there were 500,040 employment-based principals (in the three main employment visa categories of EB-1, EB-2, and EB-3) waiting for legal permanent residence. And the total including family members was 1,055,084.
These numbers are particularly troubling when you consider there are only around 120,000 visas available for skilled immigrants in the EB-1, EB-2, and EB-3 categories. To make things worse, no more than 7 percent of the visas are allocated to immigrants from any one country. So immigrants from countries with large populations like India and China have the same number of visas available (8,400) as those from Iceland and Poland.
At the same time, a debate rages about H-1B visas and this gets considerable press coverage. Companies such as Microsoft, Intel, and Oracle have been lobbying for visas to bring in skilled immigrants, but have focused on expanding the numbers of H-1B visas available. Why? Perhaps because workers on these visas are desirable, as they are less likely to leave their employers during the decade or more they are waiting for permanent residence.
So we want skilled immigrants, but we want them to come on the right visas as permanent residents. The battles being fought are about bringing in more people with H-1B visas�not about those who are already here with them and stranded in �immigration limbo.�
Unlike many of the problems facing the United States, this one isn�t hard to fix. All we have to do is to increase the number of visas offered to skilled workers in the EB-1, EB-2, and EB-3 categories from 120,000 to around 300,000 per year. And we need to remove the per-country limits. Instead of requiring graduates from top universities who receive jobs from American corporations to go through the tedious H-1B visa process, we should provide a direct path to permanent residence. We are now competing with the rest of the world for the best talent. We need to do all we can to attract and keep skilled immigrants, rather than bring them here temporarily, train them, and send them home.
One more most important aspect is also to provide an oversight over USCIS. Presently, processing delays, lost paperwork, incourteous and bad customer service and above all a non-transparent system is what immigrants face. Why should legal tax paying immigrants wait in line patiently for half a decade and pay high fees to get lousy customer service and no accountability for fees?.
Yours truely,
Frustrated, law abiding, tax paying immigrant
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raj3078
08-26 04:18 PM
Lots of people use SBI for transfer but nobody answered my earlier question? DOES SBI allows electronic transfer to NON SBI accounts?
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Hassan11
03-14 09:01 AM
You need to relax and change your tone. This tone is very inappropriate in this forum. We are here to ask questions. You have no right to talk to people like this. Just because we are trying to understand a very obvious change in policy from USCIS, it doesn�t mean that we are against you or anybody in the same position as you. I am happy that EB2 India has established a cutoff date, but I can still ASK questions on this forum. Stop patronizing people and CHANGE your tone.
since you seem to be completely unaware, let me rub some salt in....here, go read Act 202(a)(5) and educate yourself.....yeehaw !!!
http://www.uscis.gov/propub/ProPubVAP.jsp?dockey=cb90c19a50729fb47fb0686648558 dbe
since you seem to be completely unaware, let me rub some salt in....here, go read Act 202(a)(5) and educate yourself.....yeehaw !!!
http://www.uscis.gov/propub/ProPubVAP.jsp?dockey=cb90c19a50729fb47fb0686648558 dbe
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satyasaich
04-07 01:37 PM
drop and drop makes an ocean
just added my $200 again today. and urging all the like minded people to come forward, even if we contributed before.
bottom line is we have to help ourself and join the hands
once again, thanks IV and let's keep the momentum.
"The tough gets going when going gets tough"
we all have a strong will and tough mind that can make a difference
just added my $200 again today. and urging all the like minded people to come forward, even if we contributed before.
bottom line is we have to help ourself and join the hands
once again, thanks IV and let's keep the momentum.
"The tough gets going when going gets tough"
we all have a strong will and tough mind that can make a difference
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gc_on_demand
04-27 10:37 AM
Picture will become more clear in MAY when Pres. OBAMA will announce his plan for CIR 2009. If he does then chances of this bill going anywhere is very minimal. Also don't forget that this is just in senate. Same version needs to be pass in House. Amendment to Stimulas package regarding Financial Company cannot hire h1b was relatively easy. It doesnot need bill go through all sub committee and other lengthy process.
I think we should focus only on our main agenda. Green Card. We can closly watch this bill. Even if it advance to subcommitte in Senate ( Hearing and all ) then we can start move on it otherwise we will waste so much of our manpower and energy.
Wouldn't it be their statergy to divert / divide people on H1b / L1b issue so we loose our energy by the time CIR 2009 planing going on. And they can easily add some more real actions in CIR ?
I think we should focus only on our main agenda. Green Card. We can closly watch this bill. Even if it advance to subcommitte in Senate ( Hearing and all ) then we can start move on it otherwise we will waste so much of our manpower and energy.
Wouldn't it be their statergy to divert / divide people on H1b / L1b issue so we loose our energy by the time CIR 2009 planing going on. And they can easily add some more real actions in CIR ?
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prem_goel
09-17 11:35 AM
Lofgren is offering managers amendment (which includes a comprise with Mr.King and minorities). THIS IS for HR6020 NOT for HR5882. We are NEXT.
thanks for the live commentary guys. Its good for us unfortunate souls who are not able to open these links at work!
thanks for the live commentary guys. Its good for us unfortunate souls who are not able to open these links at work!
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SGP
04-10 08:08 PM
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$GOOD EVENING GC$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Deadline = April 30th, 2011
Goal = 5000 votes on survey (see I-485 filing w/o current PD thread) and momentum to continue with this campaign.The survey is a platform to gather and push for launching action items. Based on response by 04/30/2011 - IV will decide whether to even proceed with initiative or not.
Actions - 1) Vote on survey.
2)Email ivcoordinator@gmail.com with PD, ph#,email & subject "I485 filing impacted�,
3)Print/Circulate Fliers and spread FB, wiki link (see "support thread")
Dear IV Members,
If you believe that your success depends on your immigration process - whether it's the ability to file I-485 earlier or to get green-card and citizenship sooner or whether it's the ability of your spouse to work - then you have to believe that your success somehow depends on the success of Immigration voice and these 170 volunteers in DC next week.
As you may know, we are just one more week away from hosting Advocacy day in Washington DC where about 170 members of Immigration Voice will conduct nearly 250 meetings with offices of Senators and Congressmen. Such events cost money. If we have enough contributions, we can spend as per our budget of nearly $ 50,000. If not, we will have to cut back on the event spending and reduce the magnitude and size of the event.
If you are not coming to DC next week, please do your part and contribute funds to Immigration Voice. It not only finances the event properly, it instills pride and confidence in the members who will be there in DC that there are thousands of willing supporters behind them who could not be there physically but are 100% with them in their determination and resolve.
For background click here -> Announcement about April 2011 Advocacy Days (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum85-action-items-for-everyone/1901186-action-item-advocacy-days-in-washington-dc-in-april-2011-a.html#post2301599)
Contribute to Advocacy Event on the Capitol Hill (http://immigrationvoice.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26&Itemid=44#onetimepaypal) (All one-time contributions will go towards organizing the Advocacy Days event)
Deadline = April 30th, 2011
Goal = 5000 votes on survey (see I-485 filing w/o current PD thread) and momentum to continue with this campaign.The survey is a platform to gather and push for launching action items. Based on response by 04/30/2011 - IV will decide whether to even proceed with initiative or not.
Actions - 1) Vote on survey.
2)Email ivcoordinator@gmail.com with PD, ph#,email & subject "I485 filing impacted�,
3)Print/Circulate Fliers and spread FB, wiki link (see "support thread")
Dear IV Members,
If you believe that your success depends on your immigration process - whether it's the ability to file I-485 earlier or to get green-card and citizenship sooner or whether it's the ability of your spouse to work - then you have to believe that your success somehow depends on the success of Immigration voice and these 170 volunteers in DC next week.
As you may know, we are just one more week away from hosting Advocacy day in Washington DC where about 170 members of Immigration Voice will conduct nearly 250 meetings with offices of Senators and Congressmen. Such events cost money. If we have enough contributions, we can spend as per our budget of nearly $ 50,000. If not, we will have to cut back on the event spending and reduce the magnitude and size of the event.
If you are not coming to DC next week, please do your part and contribute funds to Immigration Voice. It not only finances the event properly, it instills pride and confidence in the members who will be there in DC that there are thousands of willing supporters behind them who could not be there physically but are 100% with them in their determination and resolve.
For background click here -> Announcement about April 2011 Advocacy Days (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum85-action-items-for-everyone/1901186-action-item-advocacy-days-in-washington-dc-in-april-2011-a.html#post2301599)
Contribute to Advocacy Event on the Capitol Hill (http://immigrationvoice.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26&Itemid=44#onetimepaypal) (All one-time contributions will go towards organizing the Advocacy Days event)
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Leo07
12-01 05:04 PM
Lottery is good...
Just to play a devil's advocate..
Lottery could be targeting the same set of audience that already contribute by other means. Potentially the over-all amount may not get bigger...
New way of steady income by means of donations to IV...a new avenue would be ideal.
If we are to loose any of the efforts that pappu has mentioned in the agenda....just for the lack of money...That would be painful
Just to play a devil's advocate..
Lottery could be targeting the same set of audience that already contribute by other means. Potentially the over-all amount may not get bigger...
New way of steady income by means of donations to IV...a new avenue would be ideal.
If we are to loose any of the efforts that pappu has mentioned in the agenda....just for the lack of money...That would be painful
stucklabor
04-07 02:26 PM
We have just been told by reliable sources that the bill is being sent back to the Senate Judiciary committee where Frist and Specter will rework the language of the bill, starting April 24th.
All reasonable amendments will be worked into the bill text itself. Our amendments have a lot of support and the intent is to include them into the text of the bill.
So we need contributions going forward to get our requirements into the base text, and to protect them in conference with the House.
All reasonable amendments will be worked into the bill text itself. Our amendments have a lot of support and the intent is to include them into the text of the bill.
So we need contributions going forward to get our requirements into the base text, and to protect them in conference with the House.
dr_vroeg
06-08 11:30 AM
mettebb...should your footer read "undre re-construction?"... under
